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Narrow-minded Religious Bigots on the Radical Right
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Nate
2004-02-11 07:03:58 UTC
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Well put. Let me just read you another quote of Pat Robertson's in case
that first wasn't enough.



He said, "You say you're supposed to be nice to Episcopalians and the
Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing .
nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can
love the people who hold false opinions, but I don't have to be nice to
them." This is the man who has defined family values for much of America
and has altered the political landscape. That's a little bit of a problem
if you ask me.



In the last election, when people were asked who voted about the issue of
family values, we find that the Republicans had almost a three-to-one
advantage among people who said family values was an important issue. But I
can't believe that most of those people actually understand that Pat
Robertson thinks Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists are reflective
of the Antichrist.



One can only imagine what he would say about Catholics, Mormons, and it goes
beyond speculation to consider what he would say about Hindus or Buddhists,
or other Americans who are not Christians, much less Jews.



Listen to what Pat Robertson had to say about the role of women: "I know
this is painful for ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have
accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the
household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is,
period."



I don't think most Americans believe that. I think the notion that women
are inferior to men or ought to defer to men in decision making is outside
the mainstream of American thinking. My favorite quote from Pat Robertson
also has to do with women's rights. And if you can imagine how extreme this
quote is, and I don't think most Americans understand these are his views,
but here's what he said about feminists - I don't know how many of the women
out there are feminists; I think a feminist is just a woman who thinks women
deserve equal rights. Nothing more, nothing less . but here's what Pat
Robertson had to say about it.



He said, "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is
about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to
leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
capitalism, and become lesbians."



Pat Robertson had Jerry Falwell, the man who was, for all practical
purposes, Ronald Reagan's representative to the radical right on his program
just after the World Trade Center disaster. Jerry Falwell revealed on that
program how intolerant he really is and what he really thinks ought to be
done with people he disagrees with.



He said, "Throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court
system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The
abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be
mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God
mad. The pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the
lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the
ACLU, People for the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize
America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.
'"



God will not be mocked? Gays are responsible for the World Trade Center
disaster because God is punishing us for tolerating them? What should be
done to them, Mr. Falwell? What does not tolerating them mean? Should we
hunt them down, burn them at the stake?



He said these people are trying to secularize America. Well you know what?
America is a secular state. It's a secular state because the last time we
put religion in charge of the state, they started burning people.



Pat Robertson also said, ". the battle is not going to be fought much longer
between Christianity and atheistic humanism, but between Christianity and
satanic-inspired Eastern Religions."



Jerry Falwell said, "Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time
of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all
men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men - that's their
problem."



Pat Robertson in December of 1997 said, "The National Organization for Women
is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian." I don't
know how many women out there are members of now, but many of them are
married. I'm married to one and I'm pretty sure she's not a lesbian.



"Just like Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to
the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It
is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the
liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians,"
Robertson said. He went on, "Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the
worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible
than anything suffered by any minority in history."



That's the other thing. Just because we disagree with you doesn't mean that
we're anti-Christian. In fact, many of us who disagree with you are
Christians! And as for the notion that discrimination against the
evangelical Christian is worse than against any minority in history . Mr.
Robertson, there's a little matter of six million Jews who were sent to the
ovens because of their religion, and if you think evangelical Christians are
treated worse than that, you're living in a fantasy world and the rest of us
need to reject what you have to say.



The current White House has accepted these people to the point that just
today the President of the United States named General William G. Boykin to
be the director of anti-terrorism. This man has a view that he is a warrior
for God. This man says that Christians are on a crusade against Islam.



These are not American values, and they upset people all over the world,
just as Robertson, just as Falwell, just as Dobson contradict values that
Americans hold here. He is presenting the face of this radical position to
the rest of the world. It's bad enough that those of us who live here have
to accept it.
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m***@merde.com
2004-02-11 07:35:33 UTC
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Post by Nate
Well put. Let me just read you another quote of Pat Robertson's in case
that first wasn't enough.
Snivel snipped. Now let's hear from the Liberals poster child Louis
Farrakhan:

Louis Farrakhan Quotes:

"We have no hope that we can effect true reconciliation between Blacks
and Whites in this country. The answer, ultimately, is going to be
separation."

"Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, we believe
our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by
white America justifies our demand for complete separation in a state
or territory of our own."

"Separation would be the solution to our race problem."

"We believe that interracial marriage or race mixing should be
prohibited."

"Racial harmony to me does not mean racial mixing. Racial harmony to
me means mutual respect of one people for another."

"I would prefer that the Black man and the Black woman marry into
their own kind."

"When a person goes to prison who has been deprived of equal justice,
and because of the lack of equality of opportunity and the pursuit of
happiness gets involved in social conduct that is against the law,
when that person accepts Islam and their life is transformed into that
of a righteous person, we believe that a righteous person should be
freed from prison."

"I am called a hate teacher, a hate preacher, an anti-Semite, a bigot.
And nobody wants to talk with me because it doesn't appear that I have
love in my heart. But look, in the 20 years that I have been the
leader of the Nation of Islam there is not one single incident of any
Black Muslim being arrested for any hate crime."

"The church has a very important role to play, not only the Black
church, but the white church as well."

"My problem with the Jewish community is that most of the Jewish
people feel that if you criticize any act of Jews, that is
anti-Semitic. If I criticize Arabs, if I criticize the government of
the United States, if I criticize white people or my own Black people,
I'm not considered anti-Black, anti-Arab. Why should anybody who
criticizes Jewish behavior that ill affects Black people and their
pursuit of happiness be considered anti-Semitic? Last week Orthodox
Jews made the statement that reform and conservative Jews are off the
page of Judaism. I saw it not in the New York Times, but I saw it in
the Chicago papers, just a little writing. But nobody called them
anti-Semitic. But if I said that reformed Jews or conservative Jews
are those that do not follow the laws, commandments and statutes given
by God to the prophets of Israel are not really Jews, then I'm
considered anti-Semitic. I am not anti-Semitic. I do not hate Jewish
people. I hate actions of any people, including my own, that are evil
and are obstructive to justice, freedom and equity."

"The Jews' awesome control over American society and government, all
presidents since Franklin Roosevelt, 1932, are controlled by Jews."

"Who controls Black art? Who controls Black sports figures? Who
controls Black intellectuals, Black politicians? When I talk to the
Jews, I'm talking to a segment of that quorum that holds my people in
their grip. And that is true. Who controls the movement of the NAACP?
The Urban League?"

"Black people will never be free in this country until they are free
of that kind of control. And I do intend, by the help of God, to break
up that control so that when a new relationship is structured, it is
structured on the basis of equity and reciprocity. We cannot allow
ourselves to be controlled by any outside group. We must take control
of our own destiny. That is what I preach, and that is what I believe,
and that is what I'm striving for."

"And then, of course, the degenerate culture that is coming from some
of our artists, I am angry at that. And Time Warner and those fellows
who have our rap artists and promote this degenerate language, this
filthy speech, this gangster talk, they have to accept some
responsibility for this, and this is wrong. And I will continue to
speak out against it."
2004-02-11 09:42:04 UTC
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Post by m***@merde.com
Post by Nate
Well put. Let me just read you another quote of Pat Robertson's in case
that first wasn't enough.
Snivel snipped. Now let's hear from the Liberals poster child Louis
hahahahahah......Louis Farrakhan a *poster child* for us
Liberals.......??????? Yeah right.......
King Pineapple
2004-02-11 11:11:58 UTC
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hahahahahah......Louis Farrakhan a *poster child* for us
Liberals.......??????? Yeah right.......
Yeah, you're right. He's a poster child for conservatives.



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a humanoid alien named King Pineapple. He warns them of an evil lunatic who
wishes to destroy the universe.

Soon, they encounter another, anti-matter King Pineapple who claims the
other KP is the evil one. There turn out to be two King Pineapples, one from
our universe, the other from a strange anti-matter universe. If the two of
them meet in our universe, the resulting matter/anti-matter explosion will
destroy both universes.

The evil anti-matter King Pineapple is lured into a limbo cube, between the
universes, where the two Pineapples will battle forever. Our universe saved,
the Enterprise departs."
D Kat
2004-02-12 03:27:45 UTC
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No one has ever said that Blacks are better than Whites. The whole point is
that people are people no matter what the color of their skin. Racists and
bigots come in all colors, both sexes, etc. The difference is who
represents the group. Farrakhan does not represent the majority of Blacks.
Pat Robertson does represent the majority of his people. DKat
Post by m***@merde.com
Post by Nate
Well put. Let me just read you another quote of Pat Robertson's in case
that first wasn't enough.
Snivel snipped. Now let's hear from the Liberals poster child Louis
"We have no hope that we can effect true reconciliation between Blacks
and Whites in this country. The answer, ultimately, is going to be
separation."
"Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, we believe
our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by
white America justifies our demand for complete separation in a state
or territory of our own."
"Separation would be the solution to our race problem."
"We believe that interracial marriage or race mixing should be
prohibited."
"Racial harmony to me does not mean racial mixing. Racial harmony to
me means mutual respect of one people for another."
"I would prefer that the Black man and the Black woman marry into
their own kind."
"When a person goes to prison who has been deprived of equal justice,
and because of the lack of equality of opportunity and the pursuit of
happiness gets involved in social conduct that is against the law,
when that person accepts Islam and their life is transformed into that
of a righteous person, we believe that a righteous person should be
freed from prison."
"I am called a hate teacher, a hate preacher, an anti-Semite, a bigot.
And nobody wants to talk with me because it doesn't appear that I have
love in my heart. But look, in the 20 years that I have been the
leader of the Nation of Islam there is not one single incident of any
Black Muslim being arrested for any hate crime."
"The church has a very important role to play, not only the Black
church, but the white church as well."
"My problem with the Jewish community is that most of the Jewish
people feel that if you criticize any act of Jews, that is
anti-Semitic. If I criticize Arabs, if I criticize the government of
the United States, if I criticize white people or my own Black people,
I'm not considered anti-Black, anti-Arab. Why should anybody who
criticizes Jewish behavior that ill affects Black people and their
pursuit of happiness be considered anti-Semitic? Last week Orthodox
Jews made the statement that reform and conservative Jews are off the
page of Judaism. I saw it not in the New York Times, but I saw it in
the Chicago papers, just a little writing. But nobody called them
anti-Semitic. But if I said that reformed Jews or conservative Jews
are those that do not follow the laws, commandments and statutes given
by God to the prophets of Israel are not really Jews, then I'm
considered anti-Semitic. I am not anti-Semitic. I do not hate Jewish
people. I hate actions of any people, including my own, that are evil
and are obstructive to justice, freedom and equity."
"The Jews' awesome control over American society and government, all
presidents since Franklin Roosevelt, 1932, are controlled by Jews."
"Who controls Black art? Who controls Black sports figures? Who
controls Black intellectuals, Black politicians? When I talk to the
Jews, I'm talking to a segment of that quorum that holds my people in
their grip. And that is true. Who controls the movement of the NAACP?
The Urban League?"
"Black people will never be free in this country until they are free
of that kind of control. And I do intend, by the help of God, to break
up that control so that when a new relationship is structured, it is
structured on the basis of equity and reciprocity. We cannot allow
ourselves to be controlled by any outside group. We must take control
of our own destiny. That is what I preach, and that is what I believe,
and that is what I'm striving for."
"And then, of course, the degenerate culture that is coming from some
of our artists, I am angry at that. And Time Warner and those fellows
who have our rap artists and promote this degenerate language, this
filthy speech, this gangster talk, they have to accept some
responsibility for this, and this is wrong. And I will continue to
speak out against it."
paleryder
2004-02-14 03:33:07 UTC
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Depends what you mean by "his people".
Post by D Kat
No one has ever said that Blacks are better than Whites. The whole point is
that people are people no matter what the color of their skin. Racists and
bigots come in all colors, both sexes, etc. The difference is who
represents the group. Farrakhan does not represent the majority of Blacks.
Pat Robertson does represent the majority of his people. DKat
Post by m***@merde.com
Post by Nate
Well put. Let me just read you another quote of Pat Robertson's in case
that first wasn't enough.
Snivel snipped. Now let's hear from the Liberals poster child Louis
"We have no hope that we can effect true reconciliation between Blacks
and Whites in this country. The answer, ultimately, is going to be
separation."
"Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, we believe
our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by
white America justifies our demand for complete separation in a state
or territory of our own."
"Separation would be the solution to our race problem."
"We believe that interracial marriage or race mixing should be
prohibited."
"Racial harmony to me does not mean racial mixing. Racial harmony to
me means mutual respect of one people for another."
"I would prefer that the Black man and the Black woman marry into
their own kind."
"When a person goes to prison who has been deprived of equal justice,
and because of the lack of equality of opportunity and the pursuit of
happiness gets involved in social conduct that is against the law,
when that person accepts Islam and their life is transformed into that
of a righteous person, we believe that a righteous person should be
freed from prison."
"I am called a hate teacher, a hate preacher, an anti-Semite, a bigot.
And nobody wants to talk with me because it doesn't appear that I have
love in my heart. But look, in the 20 years that I have been the
leader of the Nation of Islam there is not one single incident of any
Black Muslim being arrested for any hate crime."
"The church has a very important role to play, not only the Black
church, but the white church as well."
"My problem with the Jewish community is that most of the Jewish
people feel that if you criticize any act of Jews, that is
anti-Semitic. If I criticize Arabs, if I criticize the government of
the United States, if I criticize white people or my own Black people,
I'm not considered anti-Black, anti-Arab. Why should anybody who
criticizes Jewish behavior that ill affects Black people and their
pursuit of happiness be considered anti-Semitic? Last week Orthodox
Jews made the statement that reform and conservative Jews are off the
page of Judaism. I saw it not in the New York Times, but I saw it in
the Chicago papers, just a little writing. But nobody called them
anti-Semitic. But if I said that reformed Jews or conservative Jews
are those that do not follow the laws, commandments and statutes given
by God to the prophets of Israel are not really Jews, then I'm
considered anti-Semitic. I am not anti-Semitic. I do not hate Jewish
people. I hate actions of any people, including my own, that are evil
and are obstructive to justice, freedom and equity."
"The Jews' awesome control over American society and government, all
presidents since Franklin Roosevelt, 1932, are controlled by Jews."
"Who controls Black art? Who controls Black sports figures? Who
controls Black intellectuals, Black politicians? When I talk to the
Jews, I'm talking to a segment of that quorum that holds my people in
their grip. And that is true. Who controls the movement of the NAACP?
The Urban League?"
"Black people will never be free in this country until they are free
of that kind of control. And I do intend, by the help of God, to break
up that control so that when a new relationship is structured, it is
structured on the basis of equity and reciprocity. We cannot allow
ourselves to be controlled by any outside group. We must take control
of our own destiny. That is what I preach, and that is what I believe,
and that is what I'm striving for."
"And then, of course, the degenerate culture that is coming from some
of our artists, I am angry at that. And Time Warner and those fellows
who have our rap artists and promote this degenerate language, this
filthy speech, this gangster talk, they have to accept some
responsibility for this, and this is wrong. And I will continue to
speak out against it."
Roedy Green
2004-02-12 00:28:04 UTC
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Post by Nate
But I
can't believe that most of those people actually understand that Pat
Robertson thinks Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists are reflective
of the Antichrist.
I don't remember Jesus leaving any instructions about which
denomination was more sanctified.

I do recall him saying.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.


Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?


And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:21-23

This suggests to me Baptism, being born again, calling out Jesus name,
professing faith, belonging to the right sect etc. will do you no
good. If you love Jesus, you have to prove it by obeying him.

What did he ask:

1. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them.

2. Love your enemies.

This does not mean allow Bush to continues his murderous rampage. But
it does require you to stop him as you might stop a rampaging lion --
without hatred. I find this extremely hard to do.


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D Kat
2004-02-12 00:49:36 UTC
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Actually he did. It was Judaism. DKat
Post by Roedy Green
Post by Nate
But I
can't believe that most of those people actually understand that Pat
Robertson thinks Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists are reflective
of the Antichrist.
I don't remember Jesus leaving any instructions about which
denomination was more sanctified.
I do recall him saying.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23
This suggests to me Baptism, being born again, calling out Jesus name,
professing faith, belonging to the right sect etc. will do you no
good. If you love Jesus, you have to prove it by obeying him.
1. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them.
2. Love your enemies.
This does not mean allow Bush to continues his murderous rampage. But
it does require you to stop him as you might stop a rampaging lion --
without hatred. I find this extremely hard to do.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
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