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If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These Liberal Leaders!
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HOD
2004-01-02 19:33:35 UTC
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If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush
crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no WMD (or
almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth about
the WMD threat.

Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then
there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent
Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out of
Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,
Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9,
1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last
visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War
status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-
range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From
a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford,
& Tom Lantos among others

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We
cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright,
1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all
weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its
agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence
reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet
achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with
the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in
the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past
four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has
continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and
all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." --
Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members,
though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible
events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he
succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security
landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American
security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in
1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a
warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those
trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of
2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our
allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam
Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available
means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already
used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build
more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons,
and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John
Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of
mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we
should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham,
December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority
to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological
weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors
discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq
was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is
still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued
biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims
about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq
used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish
population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt
that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass
destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the
proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave
importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to
countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection
process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still
has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic
missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these
deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX
substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored
in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains
significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons
Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to
enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that
difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of
mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very
real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both
against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop
delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring
these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle
East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards
Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He has
systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of
international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United
Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are
simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002


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John Hawkins
Dan
2004-01-03 02:26:36 UTC
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And once again, none of the Democrats led us into war based on those lies. I
expect our government to lie to us, but not when it's going to cost American
lives. To do that, you'd have to be a remorseless, warmongering,
self-serving, IQ-challenged, crony-capitalist. AKA Dubya.
Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush
crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no WMD (or
almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth about
the WMD threat.
Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then
there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent
Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out of
Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,
Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9,
1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last
visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War
status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-
range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From
a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford,
& Tom Lantos among others
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We
cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright,
1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all
weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its
agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence
reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet
achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with
the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in
the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past
four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has
continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and
all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened
tomorrow." --
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Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members,
though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible
events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he
succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security
landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American
security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in
1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a
warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those
trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of
2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our
allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam
Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available
means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already
used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build
more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons,
and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John
Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of
mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we
should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham,
December 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority
to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological
weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors
discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq
was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is
still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued
biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims
about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq
used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish
population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt
that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass
destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the
proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave
importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to
countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection
process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still
has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic
missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these
deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX
substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored
in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains
significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons
Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
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to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to
enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that
difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of
mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very
real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both
against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop
delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring
these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle
East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards
Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He has
systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of
international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United
Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are
simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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John Hawkins
HOD
2004-01-03 03:53:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan
And once again, none of the Democrats led us into war based on those lies. I
expect our government to lie to us, but not when it's going to cost American
lives. To do that, you'd have to be a remorseless, warmongering,
self-serving, IQ-challenged, crony-capitalist. AKA Dubya.
I've yet to see the first lie proven from this administration..... care to
try? Or do you just want to continue that shrill whinning that only a loser
from the "free-loading" left can produce? :-))
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush
crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no WMD
(or
Post by HOD
almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth about
the WMD threat.
Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then
there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent
Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out of
Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S.
Post by HOD
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
Post by HOD
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,
Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9,
1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last
visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf
War
Post by HOD
status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-
range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." --
From
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a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold
Ford,
Post by HOD
& Tom Lantos among others
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We
cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline
Albright,
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1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all
weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to
its
Post by HOD
agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence
reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet
achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents
with
Post by HOD
the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in
the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the
past
Post by HOD
four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has
continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to
use
Post by HOD
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam
and
Post by HOD
all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened
tomorrow." --
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Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also
Post by HOD
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members,
Post by HOD
though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible
events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left
unchecked,
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological
and
Post by HOD
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Should
Post by Dan
he
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succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security
landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects
American
Post by HOD
security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in
1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry
into
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a
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warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those
trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of
2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our
allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades,
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available
means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already
used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build
more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons,
and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John
Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf
and
Post by Dan
we
Post by HOD
should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it
will
Post by HOD
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham,
December 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
Post by HOD
weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority
to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real
Post by HOD
and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandates
Post by HOD
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and
biological
Post by HOD
weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors
discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq
was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq
is
Post by HOD
still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued
biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's
claims
Post by HOD
about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq
used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish
population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no
doubt
Post by HOD
that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass
destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that
the
Post by HOD
proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave
importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to
countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons
inspection
Post by HOD
process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq
still
Post by HOD
has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and
ballistic
Post by HOD
missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these
deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX
substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is
stored
Post by HOD
in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq
retains
Post by HOD
significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons
Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
Post by HOD
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to
enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that
difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of
mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a
very
Post by HOD
real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both
against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to
develop
Post by HOD
delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could
bring
Post by HOD
these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle
East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards
Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He
has
Post by HOD
systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of
international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United
Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are
simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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John Hawkins
Dan
2004-01-03 04:19:48 UTC
Permalink
Regarding war:
1. Iraq has WMDs. This administration didn't just say they knew Iraq had
WMDs, they knew where they were. Now Rumsfeld has come out and all but said
that was BS meant to bolster their case.
2. Everyone knew the nuclear documents were BS. Cheney knew, there's no way
around that. His office was told. Yet we're supposed to believe Cheney knew,
but Bush was never told?

Regarding policy:
1. Candidate Bush said he would support the Kyoto protocol. Resident Bush
didn't. Flat out lie, no way around it.

That's three. Glad you weren't silly enough to challenge the other
statements, though you did try your best to turn it into a Coulter-ish
flame-fest (words like whining, loser, free-loading), which is a very
typical right-wing MO.
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
And once again, none of the Democrats led us into war based on those
lies.
Post by HOD
I
Post by Dan
expect our government to lie to us, but not when it's going to cost
American
Post by Dan
lives. To do that, you'd have to be a remorseless, warmongering,
self-serving, IQ-challenged, crony-capitalist. AKA Dubya.
I've yet to see the first lie proven from this administration..... care to
try? Or do you just want to continue that shrill whinning that only a loser
from the "free-loading" left can produce? :-))
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the
anti-war/anti-Bush
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no WMD
(or
Post by HOD
almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth
about
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the WMD threat.
Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then
there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent
Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out
of
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S.
Post by HOD
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
Post by HOD
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,
Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October
9,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors
last
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf
War
Post by HOD
status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-
range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." --
From
Post by HOD
a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold
Ford,
Post by HOD
& Tom Lantos among others
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We
cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline
Albright,
Post by HOD
1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all
weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to
its
Post by HOD
agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence
reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not
yet
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents
with
Post by HOD
the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such
weapons
Post by HOD
in
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the
past
Post by HOD
four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has
continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of
threat
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to
use
Post by HOD
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam
and
Post by HOD
all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened
tomorrow." --
Post by HOD
Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also
Post by HOD
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members,
Post by HOD
though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the
terrible
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left
unchecked,
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological
and
Post by HOD
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Should
Post by Dan
he
Post by HOD
succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security
landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects
American
Post by HOD
security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence
back
Post by HOD
in
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry
into
Post by Dan
a
Post by HOD
warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those
trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of
2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our
allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades,
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available
means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has
already
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to
build
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear
weapons,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." --
John
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf
and
Post by Dan
we
Post by HOD
should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass
destruction
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it
will
Post by HOD
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
for
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob
Graham,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
December 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
Post by HOD
weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the
authority
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real
Post by HOD
and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandates
Post by HOD
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and
the
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and
biological
Post by HOD
weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors
discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that
Iraq
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq
is
Post by HOD
still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued
biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's
claims
Post by HOD
about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986,
Iraq
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish
population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past,
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no
doubt
Post by HOD
that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass
destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that
the
Post by HOD
proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave
importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a
threat
Post by HOD
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons
inspection
Post by HOD
process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq
still
Post by HOD
has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and
ballistic
Post by HOD
missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these
deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX
substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is
stored
Post by HOD
in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq
retains
Post by HOD
significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to
rapidly
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons
Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
Post by HOD
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to
enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that
difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of
mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a
very
Post by HOD
real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before,
both
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to
develop
Post by HOD
delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could
bring
Post by HOD
these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the
Middle
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy
towards
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He
has
Post by HOD
systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
his
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of
international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the
United
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those
are
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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Post by Dan
--
Post by HOD
----
John Hawkins
HOD
2004-01-03 05:07:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan
1. Iraq has WMDs. This administration didn't just say they knew Iraq had
WMDs, they knew where they were. Now Rumsfeld has come out and all but said
that was BS meant to bolster their case.
You're a silly liar! Support this idiotic rant!
Post by Dan
2. Everyone knew the nuclear documents were BS. Cheney knew, there's no way
around that. His office was told. Yet we're supposed to believe Cheney knew,
but Bush was never told?
Another lie, support it or admit your lie!
Post by Dan
1. Candidate Bush said he would support the Kyoto protocol. Resident Bush
didn't. Flat out lie, no way around it.
Hardly, changed his mind! Did you ever change your mind?
Post by Dan
That's three. Glad you weren't silly enough to challenge the other
statements, though you did try your best to turn it into a Coulter-ish
flame-fest (words like whining, loser, free-loading), which is a very
typical right-wing MO.
Yep three strikes and you're out..... was this your lame attempt to prove
Bush a liar? You're some kind of immature dunce to think that anyone with an
IQ above their age would believe your silliness just because you say it's
so!!!! Give me a break..... How old are you.... six?
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
And once again, none of the Democrats led us into war based on those
lies.
Post by HOD
I
Post by Dan
expect our government to lie to us, but not when it's going to cost
American
Post by Dan
lives. To do that, you'd have to be a remorseless, warmongering,
self-serving, IQ-challenged, crony-capitalist. AKA Dubya.
I've yet to see the first lie proven from this administration..... care to
try? Or do you just want to continue that shrill whinning that only a
loser
Post by HOD
from the "free-loading" left can produce? :-))
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
by John Hawkins
Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq yet, a lot of the
anti-war/anti-Bush
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
crowd is claiming that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's
weapons
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction. The story being floated now is that Saddam had no
WMD
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
(or
Post by HOD
almost none) and that the Bush administration didn't tell the truth
about
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the WMD threat.
Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied,
then
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent
Democrats, who have told the same lies since the inspectors pulled out
of
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples of what I'm talking
about...
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
U.S.
Post by HOD
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
Post by HOD
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein,
Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October
9,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors
last
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein
has
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to
pre-Gulf
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
War
Post by HOD
status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and
is
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies." --
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
From
Post by HOD
a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold
Ford,
Post by HOD
& Tom Lantos among others
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
We
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline
Albright,
Post by HOD
1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all
weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived
up
Post by Dan
to
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
its
Post by HOD
agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
build up his chemical and biological warfare capability.
Intelligence
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not
yet
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq
represents
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
with
Post by HOD
the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such
weapons
Post by HOD
in
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over
the
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
past
Post by HOD
four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country
has
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of
threat
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction,
ready
Post by Dan
to
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
use
Post by HOD
them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today,
Saddam
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
and
Post by HOD
all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened
tomorrow." --
Post by HOD
Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
that
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He
has
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
also
Post by HOD
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members,
Post by HOD
though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the
terrible
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left
unchecked,
Post by HOD
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage
biological
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
and
Post by HOD
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Should
Post by Dan
he
Post by HOD
succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security
landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects
American
Post by HOD
security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence
back
Post by HOD
in
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry
into
Post by Dan
a
Post by HOD
warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those
trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in
April
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our
allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades,
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available
means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has
already
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to
build
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear
weapons,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." --
John
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its
weapons
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf
and
Post by Dan
we
Post by HOD
should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to
weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass
destruction
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it
will
Post by HOD
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam
Post by HOD
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
for
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob
Graham,
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
December 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
Post by HOD
weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the
authority
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real
Post by HOD
and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandates
Post by HOD
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and
the
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and
biological
Post by HOD
weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors
discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that
Iraq
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that
Iraq
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
is
Post by HOD
still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued
biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's
claims
Post by HOD
about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986,
Iraq
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish
population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the
past,
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no
doubt
Post by HOD
that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of
mass
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware
that
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
the
Post by HOD
proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave
importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a
threat
Post by HOD
to
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons
inspection
Post by HOD
process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq
still
Post by HOD
has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium
perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and
ballistic
Post by HOD
missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these
deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly
toxic
Post by Dan
VX
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is
stored
Post by HOD
in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq
retains
Post by HOD
significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to
rapidly
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un
Weapons
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
Post by HOD
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to
enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that
difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a
very
Post by HOD
real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before,
both
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to
develop
Post by HOD
delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could
bring
Post by HOD
these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the
Middle
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy
towards
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's
conduct.
Post by Dan
He
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
has
Post by HOD
systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
his
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and
authority
Post by Dan
of
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep
buying
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the
United
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those
are
Post by Dan
Post by HOD
simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by HOD
Post by Dan
--
Post by HOD
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John Hawkins
John S. Dyson
2004-01-03 17:31:44 UTC
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Post by Dan
1. Iraq has WMDs. This administration didn't just say they knew Iraq had
WMDs, they knew where they were. Now Rumsfeld has come out and all but said
that was BS meant to bolster their case.
It is very likely that the SEVERELY WEAKENED intelligence agencies thought
that they knew where they were (In fact, they might have known, but they
were transferred to Syria, most likely.) Note that Clinton WEAKENED
during about 1995 the US human intelligence capabilities. A competent
president (or one that wasn't treasonous) would have strengthened the
NEEDED human intelligence abilities. It will take DECADES to recover the
damage done by Clinton.

John
John S. Dyson
2004-01-03 17:29:31 UTC
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Post by Dan
And once again, none of the Democrats led us into war based on those lies.
So, if you admit that the Dems have been telling lies all along, and
you recognize that the president is dependent upon the intelligence
agencies and history as developed by previous administration, it is
still clear that there is no proof that Bush has lied. You have proven
that there was a common source of information that has been saying the
same thing all along.

More likely and credibly, it is more clear that the intelligence agencies
have been ineffective in important ways, but BJ Clinton ACUTALLY
weakened our human intelligence capabilities when they should have
been made stronger.

Given the information that exists, it would have been malfeasance to
avoid responding to the ongoing apparent threats. Note that BJ
Clinton responded to the ongoing terror during his regime by WEAKENING
the badly needed human intelligence.

John
Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
2004-01-03 19:47:18 UTC
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Now I don't wish to claim that one George Bush has lost all his
marbles, though I suspect that he may be "a few bulbs short of a full
marquee" George Bush's "world" may, to a disturbing degree, be out of
sync with the real world! As always, the press covered up for Bush,
because they always cover up for the Republicans.

Now I know how Republicans felt in 1998. Back then, the pursuers of
Bill Clinton could simply not believe that the public was not rising
up in rebellion against a president who had received Oval Office blow
jobs from an employee and then lied about it. But the economy was
zipping along, and the polls showed that a large majority of Americans
approved of the Clinton's (official) performance in the White House.
Many conservative and GOP partisans were stunned by this outrage gap,
with some even wondering what this said about the morals of the
citizenry. Were people willing to ignore degenerate behavior and
deceit for the sake of their 401(k)s?

Back in 2000, when he was seeking office, it was a different Bush.
During the Wake Forest debate, Bush declared: "It really depends upon
how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant
nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect
us."


The American soldiers were lied to about Iraq just as the American
public has been. They were manipulated into thinking that destroying
and occupying Iraq was necessary for the security of the United
States.

Those sound like words to live by.

Mazel Tov,


---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®

http://www.prof.faithweb.com



SUVs contribute to more than 3000 needless highway deaths annually - a
toll greater than that of Sept 11th's World Trade Center disaster!
HOD
2004-01-03 20:07:31 UTC
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Post by Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
The American soldiers were lied to about Iraq
Shhhhhh, you idiot... they don't know it yet, keep quite! Can't you keep a
secret.... :-))
Roedy Green
2004-01-04 07:10:26 UTC
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Post by Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
During the Wake Forest debate, Bush declared: "It really depends upon
how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant
nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect
us."
Bush understood this, yet he has clearly gone the road of deliberately
trying to get every nation to resent the USA. Even the traditional
allies, the Canadians, now are now anti-American.

When you get even your best friends pissed with you, you know you are
doing something wrong.

All Bush has left are the coalition of the coerced. America is like
some pimp who has to buy friends because people loathe his company.

On 9-11 every country's heart went out to America, and Bush stomped on
them.

--
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Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
HOD
2004-01-04 15:49:32 UTC
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Post by Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD
During the Wake Forest debate, Bush declared: "It really depends upon
how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant
nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect
us."
Bush understood this, yet he has clearly gone the road of deliberately
trying to get every nation to resent the USA. Even the traditional
allies, the Canadians, now are now anti-American.
When you get even your best friends pissed with you, you know you are
doing something wrong.
All Bush has left are the coalition of the coerced. America is like
some pimp who has to buy friends because people loathe his company.
On 9-11 every country's heart went out to America, and Bush stomped on
them.
Naw, Bush 'stomped' on the 'bad guys' and he'll do it again! He's not a
bleeding heart like you and in my opinion never will be! I am thankful for
that!

r***@whiner.com
2004-01-02 20:07:01 UTC
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Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
Not so, FOGHOGLOON

"Those people" weren't privy to the information that a sitting CIC has. Nor do they have
the power to ask questions beyond a perfunctory query.

They also did not accept a formulation of policy(s) that were done in secret by
rightwing policy groups, then urge implementation by advocating a doctrine of
"pre-emption"

"Those people" weren't (aren't) controlled by political operatives like Karl Rove who
is now using the war as political capital to get the lying, deserting asshole elected in
2004

"Those people" aren't engaged in, driven by, or thirsting after political power like the
southern drawling GOP leadership is.


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The Reagan Years:

How Soon We Forget Real Corruption Gleeful charges by Republicans
that Whitewater is comparable to Watergate and that the Clinton
Administration is more corrupt than any recent administration
are ludicrous when compared to the actual record of corruption
in the Reagan-Bush administration and when it is noted that the
charges against Clinton result from goings-on in Arkansas long
before he became President. With Reagan, scandals occured while
he was President. Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Haynes
Johnson's book, "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in
the Reagan Years" (1991, Doubleday), chronicles the U.S.'s
fall from dominant world power to struggling debtor nation
during the Reagan years. Johnson says "two types of problems
typified the ethical misconduct cases of the Reagan years,
and both had heavy consequences to citizens everywhere.
One stemmed from ideology and deregulatory impulses run
amok; the other, from classic corruption on a grand scale."
"By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had
been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject
of official investigations for official misconduct and/or
criminal violations. In terms of number of officials
involved, the record of his administration was the
worst ever." (P. 184).

"Reagan's customary response to instances of wrongdoing by aides
was to criticize those who brought the charges or to blame the
media that reported them." "Three great scandals stained the
Reagan record, and they all involved the age-old form of corruption
formed by the connection between money and politics. What
distinguished them in the Reagan years was the number of buyers
and sellers involved, and the amount of money there was to
be made. The sheer volume of both had multiplied beyond any
previous measure. Nothing better illustrated the problem
than a case that connected some of Reagan's closest associates,
a score of top government officials in several departments
and agencies,
HOD
2004-01-03 03:50:19 UTC
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Post by HOD
If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People
Not so, FOGHOGLOON
"Those people" weren't privy to the information that a sitting CIC has.
Nor do they have
Post by r***@whiner.com
the power to ask questions beyond a perfunctory query.
You are an idiot..... of course many of these people saw the same documents,
those on the intelligence committee can ask any questions they wish!
Post by r***@whiner.com
They also did not accept a formulation of policy(s) that were done in secret by
rightwing policy groups, then urge implementation by advocating a doctrine of
"pre-emption"
Wrong again... most of them endorsed the policy as written without
restriction!
Post by r***@whiner.com
"Those people" weren't (aren't) controlled by political operatives like Karl Rove who
is now using the war as political capital to get the lying, deserting asshole elected in
2004
Now your true bullshit colors are showing and you declare yourself to be the
wild-eyed liberal fanatic that you are.... thanks, it makes my job so mush
easier! :-))
Post by r***@whiner.com
"Those people" aren't engaged in, driven by, or thirsting after political power like the
southern drawling GOP leadership is.
Just a turd's opinion........ nothing more!
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