Why we are at war

[Charlie D.]

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998

Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."

Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."

John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."

Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq’s continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."

President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

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Post by Charlie D.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998
Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."
Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."
John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."
Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq’s continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."
President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

[Roger]

Clinton was wrong. He knows he's wrong.

He didn't kill 1000 Americans because of his mistake, BUSH DID.

And he still thinks he's right!

Post by Charlie D.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998
Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."
Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."
John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."
Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq's continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."
President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

[Transition Zone]

If all this is true, why are iraqi contractor salaries so high ??

Post by Charlie D.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998
Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."
Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."
John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."
Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq?s continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."
President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

[Patrick Powers]

Post by Charlie D.
A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

Not so. Kerry has made his support of the war clear. He has
criticized the methods only. He seems to think torture is OK too,
Kerry never mentions it. Joe Lieberman (remember him?) is
pro-torture.

[Bill]

All pure political hyperbole. The facts show there was no justification for
the costly war in Iraq.

Facts;

The UN inspection teams were adequately controlling and limiting Saddam's
perceived threats

Early March 2003:

1.Destruction of Al Samoud 2 short-range missiles begins under UN
supervision
and continues in days following. Twenty-eight missiles destroyed through 6
March. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix calls destruction of missiles "a
very significant piece of real disarmament."


2. Late February 2003

Iraq begins UN-monitored excavation at site sixty miles south of Baghdad
where
it claims large quantities of prohibited chemical and biological agents were
disposed in 1991. Invites UN officials to gather physical evidence at the
site
to seek confirmation that prohibited items were destroyed.2 Excavation
reveals
remnants of approximately 150 R-400 bombs that had contained anthrax.


3. 14 February 2003

Hans Blix reports that Iraq has provided a list of eighty-three individuals
involved in the 1991 destruction of prohibited materials from biological
weapons
and missile programs.3 The individuals are made available for interview to
help
provide evidence of the claimed destruction of prohibited items.


4. 14 February 2003

At the insistence of UN officials Saddam Hussein issued a presidential
decree
banning the production of weapons of mass destruction in accordance with
Security Council resolutions.4 This fulfills the obligation in previous UN
resolutions that Iraq renounce the development or use of weapons of mass
destruction.


5. 10 February 2003

Iraq agrees to allow U-2 surveillance flights in accordance with UN demands.
U-2
flights begin 17 February, with Iraq assuring the safety of flights as
required
by Security Council Resolution 1441.5


6. 6 February 2003

Baghdad allows first private interview to be conducted with Iraqi scientist.
Interview takes place in Baghdad hotel. Subsequent interviews occur in early
March.6


7. 27 January 2003

Blix reports to the Security Council that Iraq has submitted a 193-page
listing
of all imports by the agency responsible for biological weapons
development.7


8. 20 January 2003

Iraq and UN reach 10-point agreement to better facilitate inspections.
Agreement
includes provisions to form Iraqi commissions to determine locations of
weapons
and documents left out of the 7 December weapons declaration and to conduct
technical discussions with the IAEA about nuclear-related imports.


9. 9 January 2003

Hans Blix reports to the Security Council that Iraq has cooperated by
providing
an "open doors" policy of unfettered access to requested sites. According to
a
later statement from Blix, "the most important point to make is that access
has
been provided to all sites we have wanted to inspect." IAEA director Mohamed
ElBaradei likewise reports on 9 January that "Iraqi authorities have
consistently provided access without conditions and without delay.10 Blix
also
reports that Iraq has provided new information on its weapons activities,
including an "Air Force document" that may shed light on Iraq's use of
chemical
weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.


10. 28 December 2002

Iraqi national monitoring directorate provides UNMOVIC with list of more
than
500 individuals involved in the chemical, biological, and nuclear and
ballistic
missile programs. In response to UN complaints that the list is inadequate,
Iraq
provides eighty additional names in late January.


11. 7 December 2002

Iraq submits 12,000-page weapons declaration to UNMOVIC and IAEA one day in
advance of the 30-day deadline mandated in Resolution 1441.12

Bush started a war in Iraq based on his claims that Iraq was a threat to the
world with WMD. What was the reality?

Based on evidence from an Iraqi defector, code named "Curve Ball", who was a
known alcoholic and liar we used this excuse to over rule the UN and invade
Iraq. Iraq had NO WMD.

According to the U. S. CIA fact book, Iraq's military expenditures were a
measly $1.3 billion versus the U. S. military budget of over $350 billion.
It's neighbors military expenditures exceeded $40 billion. Iraq had NO
long-range bombers, NO blue water Navy and it only had a limited inventory
of missiles with an inaccurate range of less than 120 milesand these
missiles were in the process of being destroyed. It had a poorly equipped
army with obsolete weapons from the Soviet Union era.

Iraq's neighbors were so unconcerned about an Iraq threat that NON OF THEM
would join Bush in his invasion of Iraq.

The cost of this blunder is over 15,000 lives (Over 1,000 Americans) and
many more seriously and permanently disabled. The cost to tax payers is
approximately $200 BILLION dollars and rising. And this while the Federal
government is running up over $400 BILLION dollar annual deficits and
running the country on borrowed funds. Most Iraqi's did not and do not now
support the United States invasion of Iraq. This is why the war continues
unabated.

Bill

Post by Charlie D.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998
Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."
Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."
John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."
Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq's continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."
President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

[Achan Back]

Post by Charlie D.
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law October 31, 1998
Bill Clinton: "The policies and actions of the Saddam Hussein regime
continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national
security and foreign policy of the United States, as well as to
regional peace and security." "The United States favors an Iraq that
offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments
that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or
sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone
else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported
regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the
reintegration of Iraq into normal international life."
Bob Kerrey: "This bill, when passed and signed into law, is a clear
commitment to a U.S. policy replacing the Saddam Hussein regime and
replacing it with a transition to democracy. This bill is a statement
that America refuses to coexist with a regime which has used chemical
weapons on its own citizens and on neighboring countries, which has
invaded its neighbors twice without provocation, which has still not
accounted for its atrocities committed in Kuwait, which has fired
ballistic missiles into the cities of three of its neighbors, which is
attempting to develop nuclear and biological weapons, and which has
brutalized and terrorized its own citizens for thirty years. I don't
see how any democratic country could accept the existence of such a
regime, but this bill says America will not."
John Kerry: "The risks in leaving Saddam in power are so great, that,
if necessary, the US should get rid of him itself."
Joe Biden: "No one should doubt for a moment the resolve of the United
States to respond with force, if necessary, to Iraq?s continued
flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions."
President Bush turned those words into action. A number of Democrats
who voted for the Iraq Liberation Act, including Kerry, are now
critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they said at the
time they wished the Clinton administration would do.

Iraq Liberation Act

You said: "critical of President Bush for doing precisely what they
said"

What precisely do you mean by "precisely"? If you mean "as understood
by a PresiDunce" - well, ya.

You quoted Bob Kerrey, and I do find the quote you gave, in his
testimony
during debate on the Iraq Liberation Act.
**HOWEVER**, Bob Kerrey's preceding paragraph was this (like you
didn't
already know, but decided to conveniently obfuscate):

"Second, this bill is not a device to involve the U.S. military in
operations in or near Iraq. The Iraqi revolution is for Iraqis, not
Americans, to make. The bill provides the Administration a potent new
tool to help Iraqis toward this goal, and at the same time advance
America's interest in a peaceful and secure Middle East."

I wasn't able to find John Kerry's quote that you gave, in the context
of the Iraq Liberation Act. Doesn't mean he didn't, but I couldn't
find
it NOR did you give a clear reference. How about it? Give a reference
(ditto for Biden).

A minute before Bob Kerrey spoke Jesse Helms spoke and said the
following:
"This bill will begin the long-overdue process of ousting Saddam. It
will not send in U.S. troops or commit American forces in any way.
Rather, it harkens back to the successes of the Reagan doctrine,
enlisting the very people who are suffering most under Saddam's yoke
to fight the battle against him. "

Should NOW be precise and clear enough for you.


AG